December, 2001: 70 posts.
Another steller morning playing racquetball…
Another steller morning playing racquetball. I can definitely feel myself getting better. My patience with the game (knowing when to be aggressive and when to dial back and just volley) is greater. One thing I do know – killshots are satisfying, but not as much fun as a nice rally.
What else am I up to today? Well, I spent about 45 minutes using tweezers pulling bits of grass and brush out of my favorite green wool sweater. I made the mistake of wearing it when we went out to the Laguna Mountains to watch the meteor showers a few weeks ago. I got quite a bit of the woods caught in the wool and there was no simple way to get it out. I tried Jenny’s lintroller and that brush just laughed at me. Thus, the tweezers.
I can’t think of a single thing you have to use tweezers for that is a good thing. I remember when I used to work in the ER little kids would sometimes get cockroaches caught in their ear and they had to go in there and get it out, which is a tricky operation, because when you have a damn cockroach in your ear, you sure as heck don’t want to stay still.
What was I talking about? Oh yes, some things are difficult work, and can only be done with patience and special tools.
words for the day:
words for the day: shenanigans, folderal, hijinks.
Jennifer is justifiably terrified of Robo Baby…
Jennifer is justifiably terrified of Robo Baby. Robo Baby is the interactive baby that will crawl her way into your heart. Robo Baby is made by Tiger Toys which is owned by Hasbro.
This book looks important and after even just a few pages…
This book looks important and after even just a few pages, it rings quite true: Networks and Netwars: The Future of Terror, Crime, and Militancy
Excerpt:
The information revolution is altering the nature of conflict across the spectrum. We call attention to two developments in particular. First, this revolution is favoring and strengthening network forms of organization, often giving them an advantage over hierarchical forms. The rise of networks means that power is migrating to nonstate actors, because they are able to organize into sprawling multiorganizational networks (especially “all-channel” networks, in which every node is connected to every other node) more readily than can traditional, hierarchical, state actors. This means that conflicts may increasingly be waged by “networks,” perhaps more than by “hierarchies.” It also means that whoever masters the network form stands to gain the advantage.
Bruce Sterling with a brilliant speech on Geeks and Spooks
Bruce Sterling with a brilliant speech on Geeks and Spooks
On siliconvalley…
On siliconvalley.com, there is a nice mention of evolt.org‘s browser archive at browsers.evolt.org.
A petition to get Cold Fusion ported to MacOS X…
A petition to get Cold Fusion ported to MacOS X. Interesting, and not a bad idea. Cold Fusion is a fun web development platform, but also very capable. It’s newbie friendly. In that sense, it’s close to MacOS X in spirit — making great power accessible.
thesis | antithesis
thesis | antithesis
– via an email from jenny
ArtLung Urban Sprawl!
Making massive changes on artlung.com to the home page. The blog has gotten too important to cram on the home page. and the home page is too bloated anyway. Given the size of this site, something must be done. It’s time for a change. In the meantime, what are those cheesy signs? Pardon our dust!
I’ve been running Painter 3 since 1996…
I’ve been running Painter 3 since 1996. Never upgraded, didn’t use it much. However, through the magic of ebay I have obtained version 5 of the program (wahoo!) and now the program is stable (I used to crash after about 15 minutes of doing anything), and doesn’t look like a program designed for MacOS System 7 (lots of plain black and white interfaces). I’m pleased as punch. And to honor this – here’s a new header for the home page. I played with the natural media tools in Painter – calligraphy pens, water, airbrush, and so much more. The most current version may be 7 and be owned by Corel– but the leap from 3 to 5 makes me terribly happy.
Why does software cost so much? And when did I become so cost conscious about software? I guess it’s also that I always viewed Painter as a frivolity. It’s not strictly necessary for me to have it to do web work, so why spend hundreds to keep it upgraded? I see software like games or “fun stuf” as an extravagance. And I suppose I see letting loose my artistic tendencies as an extravangance.
Maybe I should start seeing that part of me not as an “extra” – but rather as part of my “core.”
I blogged about an image…
I blogged about an image whose subject was the airliner uprising on September 11th – and that I think it had emotional heft because that incident is something we don’t have pictures of.
Looks like Neil Young has written a song about it called “Let’s Roll” — and I really want to listen to it. Anyone have a copy? I should check Neil Young sites — and I suppose it’s time to look at P2P clients again for when there’s stuff like this.
Yes…
Yes, I remember the original Dark Knight Returns – I started reading it when I was in driving school. That was more than a decade ago. That comic changed my life, restored my appreciation for comics. These breathless fanboy reviews make me want to run out and get Dark Knight Strikes Back. I think the bias out there is still against taking the form of comics seriously as an artform. That’s a mistake. There’s some good work being done in the medium. It’s not all men in tights.
I’m sick…
I’m sick.
This morning I put in a lackluster performance of racquetball. Once home, I napped for about 5 hours. Everything behind my nose feels like it’s filled with silly putty.
Jenny rented several movies the other day, one of which was the new Planet of the Apes. It did not make me well. What the heck happened to Tim Burton. He did a nice job with Batman, and of course Pee Wee’s Big Adventure. And I’ve always been a fan of animation, so I remember seeing Frankenweenie for the first time vividly.
So why the recent lameness in his work? Has he gotten soft? What happened to the brilliance he showed in Ed Wood?
The larger question is this — why remake movies which had real vision? The original Planet of the Apes may be an old movie, but it was a solidly made one. Why re-envision it?
Thinking of the movie business as not making any sense is not a particularly original idea, I suppose.
a tip from this month’s printed version of Macworld:
a tip from this month’s printed version of Macworld:
an even briefer google – brief search page, brief results page:
check it out: www.google.com/ie
Something on the Anthrax Investigation from the Baltimore Sun:
Something on the Anthrax Investigation from the Baltimore Sun:
“We’ve been reading about how thorough the Department of Justice is,” said James R.E. Smith, who made anthrax and other bioweapons at Detrick and other Army facilities from 1943 to 1971. “That’s a bunch of nonsense. They haven’t investigated me.”
Smith, 84, now retired in Port Charlotte, Fla., said, “I’ve got the education to do it. I live alone. I’ve got two baths, so I could use one as a lab. I want to be examined as a potential terrorist.”
He added, more seriously, that he is alarmed about the quality of the investigation because it has not scrutinized people like him: “Part of being thorough is talking to people who are knowledgeable about anthrax.”
I used to love making mix tapes…
I used to love making mix tapes. From USA Today, an article about the history of, and decline of cassettes. I suppose CD burners will take over, but cassettes are a pretty robust technology. CDs certainly have not proven as resilient as they were promised – they skip, they go bad. I guess none of the major music technologies are that great.
What I’m waiting for is the ability to go down to the swap meet and buy everything that would be in the local Tower Records – on something the size of a single hard drive. In a Bruce Sterling novel people talk about having a copies of the Library of Congress — well, I want a copy of Tower Records!
I hate being sick…
I hate being sick.
A nice piece by Charles Platt from September: The Enduring Power of Stupidity
A nice piece by Charles Platt from September: The Enduring Power of Stupidity
More from September…
More from September – photographs from around the world in response to the attacks: a heartfelt thank you
Funny…
Funny, via Dave Farber‘s Interesting-People list:
Capitalism
– You have two cows.
– You sell one and buy a bull.
– Your herd multiplies, and the economy grows.
– You sell them and retire on the income.
Enron Venture Capitalism
– You have two cows.
– You sell three of them to your publicly listed company, using letters of credit opened by your brother-in-law at the bank, then execute a debt/equity swap with an associated general offer so that you get all four cows back, with a tax exemption for five cows. The milk rights of the six cows are transferred via an intermediary to a Cayman Island company secretly owned by the majority shareholder who sells the rights to all seven cows back to your listed company. The Annual report says the company owns eight cows, with an option on one more.
– No Balance Sheet provided with the release.
rudy turned me on to this dispatch from Craig Saila…
rudy turned me on to this dispatch from Craig Saila about how the events of September 11th have brought out an ugly side to some blogs. I myself stopped reading one or two blogs which were formerly filled with tastilicious nuggets of useful information, and have subsequently turned into piles of steaming vitriol. I still check back, but all I find there is spin, spin, spin. Hell, If I want spin I’ll turn on TV news or any of hundreds of radio shows.
A native version of the AOL client for Mac OS X has been released…
A native version of the AOL client for Mac OS X has been released. I also notice on that page that there are different installers for Windows XP vs. Windows 2000. That’s sort of interesting. Anyway, installed the new AOL client on the iBook here which has OSX on it. Why, you ask? Jenny uses AOL as her primary email, I use it as a tertiary email. Seems no different from the OS8/9 version, but it’s slightly smoother as far as UI goes.
Incidentally – still coughing – nose running – miserable sick…
Incidentally – still coughing – nose running – miserable sick. Could be worse, but could be much better too.
Other old stuff from Google Groups:
Other old stuff from Google Groups:
Shirley E…
Shirley E. Kaiser of SKDesigns has an great online column / blog called Brainstorms & Raves on all things web and design — and hey, it’s got great tips and links – check this link about the doubling of the use of Opera. Nice nice nice. And aw shucks, her site links to me!
Sometimes…
Sometimes, even when you’re sick, you have to enter a viridian design contest. In this one, we rethink the Enron corporate logo.
A nice article from Digital Divide Network:
A nice article from Digital Divide Network:
Q&A: The Internet and People with Disablities Part I and Part II
Got this at work via Ingrid – who should start keeping a journal!
Whither WaSP?
Do I have the the earliest mention of the Web Standards Project on usenet?
I ask only because the Google usenet archive is current news right now. And another piece of current news is that the Web Standards Project is going on hiatus. I think WSP pushed for good things from Netscape and Microsoft. I had a part in writing the mission statement. I’ve had that early email of the alpha version of the mission statement on my site for a while. It evolved with the work of many more articulate than I into a fine mission statement. I wish that the [stds] mailing list archive were online. I’d like to be able to see those first discussions again — that vital energy was infectious, and empowering. We felt like we could take on the world! Or at least change the software development directions of two multimillion dollar companies.
In the end, I don’t know how much effect WSP had. But it remains as it has been in my Fellow Founding Member biography: I am “proud to be involved, even cursorily, with something as worthwhile as the WaSP.
New Words: I am a Frank Zappa Fan…
New Words: I am a Frank Zappa Fan. I got this cool little FZ icon from rudy, and I had to use it somewhere.
for geeks: it’s valid xhtml and CSS
Charles points to an article where asking for stamps without flags…
Charles points to an article where asking for stamps without flags gets people questioned by the police. Characterizing this response to a postal transaction as “overreacting” seems like an understatement. Are terrorists loudly proclaiming themselves by showing anti-Americanism? Isn’t the very fact that the terrorists remained undetected an indication that they don’t call attention to themselves?
Stray Thought:
Stray Thought:Songs featuring California Towns would make a good mix tape:
Riverside / Beat Farmers
Village of the Sun / Frank Zappa
Streets of Bakersfield / Dwight Yoakam
Screenwriter’s Blues / Soul Coughing
Surfin’ USA / The Beach Boys
San Diego Serenade / Tom Waits
Santa Monica / Everclear
San Berd’ino / Frank Zappa
I got a really interesting email…
I got a really interesting email, well, a FWD from a dear friend – stating that the 12 Days of Christmas song lyrics are actually secret code designed to help kids remember the tenets of Christianity. As with all forwarded material whose content is really interesting, I wondered if it were so. Could it be true? After some research, I found a thorough examination of the claim: Urban Legends Reference Pages: Christmas (The Twelve Days of Christmas). Judge for yourself. Warning: There’s a MIDI file on that page.
This made me laugh, despite my better judgement:
This made me laugh, despite my better judgement:
Telemarketers vs. the Taliban @ ifilm
I dig getting feedback like this: someone called “steve” said:
I dig getting feedback like this: someone called “steve” said:
i found the exact code i needed from one of your examples, thanks!!!! my deadline is still intact.
didn’t leave an email address or last name, but I don’t mind. It’s nice to get positive feedback.
more new lab items: onunload + window…
more new lab items: onunload + window.open = evil and Preventing Browser Cache
I bought a lovely Christmas Tree on the way home from work today…
I bought a lovely Christmas Tree on the way home from work today. I’ve prowled the streets in the past week, looking for trees at several places around town. Drugstores with trees out front, grocery stores with a few possibles – but precious few Christmas Tree Lots. At Mission Valley Mall they have a mega-plex of trees and poinsettias and wreaths — great selection — huge prices. But the hunt paid off today – picked up a nice specimen for 32 bucks. Even got to tie it to the top of my old Corolla. Had he been there, my Grandfather would have been proud: the tree didn’t budge on the 5 mile drive home. Add to that, Jenny likes it, so I’ll count the mission as a success. Thank you, and good night.
Dylan Foley has thorough considerations of the Web Standards Project…
Dylan Foley has thorough considerations of the Web Standards Project and the recent activity on that site. He apologizes to me for stating that of the members of the WSP nobody had mentioned the recent events. No harm no foul Dylan. As far as anyone on that list having anything to do with WSP decisions, I’ve no idea. Jeff Zeldman appears to be going it alone. That’s his perogative as the current Group Leader. I do have one correction though — Dylan states “since it’s inception, he has been the public face of the WaSP and it’s Group Leader” — which is incorrect. George Olsen did the heavy lifting as the Leader who got WSP off the ground those years ago.
There have been some mishaps for WebStandards.org over the years – the initial signup-for-support database was lost if I remember correctly – and various discussion lists which were once vital are nowhere to be found on the site. I think that there’s still a role for an advocacy organization to champion Jane Q. Developer. Luckily, WSP is only hibernating — it’s not dead.
Damn Hard, But Damn Fair Questions Are In Order
We Didn’t Mess Up, They Did
Canada has put its house in order. It’s time to ask the U.S. hard questions about how Sept. 11 was allowed to happen is a difficult article from Lawrence Martin of Canada’s Globe and Mail. It contains fair questions about why some CIA and FBI asses haven’t been fired with regards to the glaring intelligence failures of September 11th.
An excerpt:
I had in mind a statement from Wesley Wark, one of Canada’s foremost intelligence experts and a consultant to the Privy Council on such matters. “What is happening in the United States took me by surprise,” he said. “I anticipated that in the aftermath of Sept. 11, there would be an enormous hue and cry to find out what went wrong. There has been no hue and cry in the United States. No recriminations, nothing even similar to what happened after Pearl Harbor in 1941…. The United States has drawn a veil of silence over the issue of intelligence failure.”
View From The Heart is an impressive blog…
View From The Heart is an impressive blog. The fellow behind it is a veteran critical care nurse. I used to work closely with folks just like this. Savvy, articulate, and experienced. He’s just the kind of nurse it was a pleasure to work with. He’s been blogging for a long time now – and a google search finds references to “Respiratory Therapists” , “RTs” and “Respiratory Terrorists.” Which used to be a kind of compliment. RT-ing is a bit of a cowboy profession. I know I always felt like a gunslinger with my oxygen wrench, connectors and adaptors of various kinds, nasal cannulae, ET tube tape, screwdrivers, what have you. I know I was always ready for a crisis working 7p-7a nights. Anything can happen on the night shift, and it usually did.
These two stories in particular moved me.
I’ll be checking vfth.com again.
How’d I find it? A casual mention on backupbrain
From O’ReillyNet: A Primer for Accessible Web Pages…
From O’ReillyNet: A Primer for Accessible Web Pages. Quasi-related news item: Kynn’s still looking for work.
In case you came here looking for a reference to netflix based on this…
In case you came here looking for a reference to netflix based on this, well, I like looking at peoples’ robots.txt files.
Truth be told, I learn a great deal by looking at how sites do their thing. I remember visiting amazon a long time ago and seeing how they generate extra url stuff and wondering what it was. I distinctly remember opening and closing browsers to see how I could mess with it and see if I could fool it. I also love tweaking url strings to see if sites still work when the urls are messed with. As you see what happens as you add and remove elements you get a sense for what’s happening “under the hood.”
I suppose my behavior is an amplified version of a a monkey with a twig poking at anthills.
Yo! about this …
Yo! about this … check it! Dori Smith has my back!
Check out dis and dat to see how when it’s right, she breaks with the artlung shout outs!
(No, I don’t know why this post sounds like I’m a rapper. It is Friday though).
Werd. Thanks Dori!
Some MacOSX Links of Note for Web Geeks
Killer page of OSX Links
It appears to be down at the moment. Google it and grab a mirror today!
Apache-mySQL-PHP installation tutorial
Apple’s OSX Downloads
Building OpenSSH 2.5.2 on Mac OS X 10.0.1
Building Zope and Python on MacOS X Server
Mac OS X / Mac OS X Server Resources
MacNN’s OSX News
MacOSX Apps
MacOSX Hints
MacOSX Tips & Tricks
Set Up Hosts in NetInfo
Setting up your OSX from scratch
Tips & Tricks for OS X Unix
VersionTracker.com’s MacOSX Software Updates
XIcons from MacNN – Icons like crazy!
I picked up the first of three of the Dark Knight Strikes Again
I picked up the first of three of the Dark Knight Strikes Again last week. It’s got a helluva start and warranted me running out. I’m eagerly anticipating #2 and #3, scheduled to come out the weeks of January 16th and February 27th of 2002.
I picked it up at The Comic Gallery. The clerk asked me if I had read it yet – presumably some folks are buying second copies – a reading copy and a save copy. I told him no, and he told me it was powerful stuff. I further told him that I had picked up the original Dark Knight at this very store, when I was taking Driver’s Ed classes across the street. He had been a clerk there even then, though I don’t recall if I bought it from him originally. He was a bit floored and muttered something about feeling old. I replied that well, how old does that make me?!?!
It’s a very odd feeling to return after 15 years to buy the sequel to a comic book.
But not altogether unpleasant.
Presents and Treesville
Whoa. Great Christmas Eve at my Grandparent’s tonight. Some great gifts, including theatre tickets to see Mark Twain Tonight with Hal Holbrook. And to top it off, a new header featuring the great tree I got and which my lovely wife decorated. Happy Holidays!
Peace on Earth.
¡Qué horror!
I missed Christina’s Birthday
I like this line very much…
I like this line very much, from Doc:
… you’d think that Linux was failing on the desktop. It’s not, any more than, say, Saab is failing on the highway…
Great interview with Elinor Burkett
Great interview with Elinor Burkett, [ link via robotwisdom ]
I am thankful as hell that I was allowed to be a surly, quasi-happy teen. I was a mess, but I was never forced to put on a happy face. I was always told that life is hard. It’s normal and usual to have a stressful time as a human being. It’s reassuring in a way that you can depend on life being hard.
Another Planet: A Year in the Life of a Suburban High School looks worth a read.
I want it on the record that I won
I want it on the record that I won the soundtrack to the Royal Tenenbaums‘s being referenced here. I won for shouting “Dignan” in response to the cheesy DJ’s trivia question. Dignan is the funnest character from Bottle Rocket. Jenny and I are on a good streak this month. Jenny won the tickets to the sneak-preview screening. Let’s hope the trend continues!
Played Cutthroat with two of my aunts tonight…
Played Cutthroat with two of my aunts tonight.
Cutthroat = Racquetball with 3 players. Heckuva workout. I am definitely getting in better shape. Granted, I’m not in good shape yet. But I am in better shape.
My shape has been a difficult issue my whole life. I’m overweight. Ideally I can integrate behaviors into my life which help the issue in a painless manner.
If you’re a geek…
If you’re a geek, you know very well how distinctive O’Reilly‘s book covers are. Now you can customize one for yourself! Hours of fun for the whole geek family.
I have added a colophon to the site…
I have added a colophon to the site.
New lab item: Batch File Rename By File Extension in Unix…
New lab item: Batch File Rename By File Extension in Unix. (Not really new, but moved from the smorgasborg)
More reorganizations taking place…
More reorganizations taking place. I’m moving the mountains of content I have around into more logical places. One thing that’s being established is a words area, for pieces which are not journal items, not portfolio items, and stand on their own in some way. I’m exhuming some old mailing list posts for this area. I’ve been a very busy person on mailing lists since 1997 or so, and it’s about time I start to see if some of it needs a web home. First up: What is a Web Integrator?, from 1998. I also moved the WebStandards.org Alpha Baseline Proposal to prominence. In other “moving the deck chairs” news, I’ve moved my old sig files. Under the hood, I’m unifying navigation and site programming everywhere I can. According to automated checks with linklint I’ve done I have roughly 700 files and 3500 links on artlung.com. I’ve made it a goal to make managing the site as simple and painless as possible for me. Additionally, I want the site to be friendly to visit for web crawlers, visitors, family, friends, and avoid linkrot.
And now, bedtime.
Mini Brain Dump!
Mini Brain Dump! wherein, I get rid of links which are crowding the sticky notes on my desktop
A Few Links on Professionalism:
Tom DeMarco: Professional Awareness in Software Engineering
American Society of Safety Engineers: Scope of a Safety Professional
Steve McConnell: Software Engineering Professionalism Website
Philip Greenspun: Redefining Professionalism for Software Engineers
A Few Links on Micropayments:
Clay Shirky: The Case Against Micropayments
Jakob Nielsen: The Case for Micropayments
The w3c: Micropayments Overview
Scott McCloud: Coins of the Realm II
Jakob Nielsen v. Seth Godin in Business2.0: Micropayments Debate
The Industry Standard: Web Publishers Learn to Love Micropayments
The Industry Standard: Amazon’s ‘Honor System’ to Handle Micropayments for Other Sites
NYT: If You Like This Story, Click Here to Pay Me
Current King of Small Transactions: PayPal
A Few Krazy Kat Links:
Krazy Kat: The Coconino County Home Page
“Some Say it With A Brick”: George Herriman’s Krazy Kat
A Krazy Kat Strip Archive
inspired by a discussion on the WebSanDiego…
inspired by a discussion on the WebSanDiego.org list:
my favorite html tags are <strike>[+] and <nobr>[+]
I added a Netscape 6 Sidebar to the blog…
I added a Netscape 6 Sidebar to the blog. So if you’re using Netscape 6 You have faster access to the list’o’links on the blog. The Netscape page on My Sidebar Developer’s Guide makes it seem much more complex than it is. At the heart of it all you need to call is a Netscape 6 only function called window.sidebar.addPanel()
which takes three string parameters, the first is the name of the page, the second is a URL, and the third is to provide users with a page to customize the tab itself. I’m not using that, so it’s blank.
Thanks to mathowie over on the 405 now I have similar functionality…
Thanks to mathowie over on the 405 now I have similar functionality for Windows Internet Explorer users. Since the ArtLungSidebar is mostly for me, that makes me happy! The code is simple: _search=open('http://www.example.dom/sidebar.html','_search')
where the first parameter is the URL of whatever you want to cram into the MSIE search pane. I wrapped it in a function for simplicity. Read more about the _search
target. Nifty.
I don’t like Year-In-Review
I don’t like Year-In-Review / Top 10 of 2001 / A Look Back at 2001 pieces in any media. Why aren’t there pieces on “the last 7 years in music” or “15 years in journalism.” Longer time spans would help us learn more about larger trends. We might even gain a better sense of time. If we’re looking back 12 months, how will we, particularly the young, get a sense of the past? I’d be happy with “the last 3 recessions in American history” or “150 years of the history of Afghanistan” or even “the use of electronics in pop music since the 60’s.” I f I want a high-level view of the past year, I can look at 12 months of magazine covers. However, I would prefer to learn something about history.
But then, few have a gift for putting events and time into perspective. Perhaps the reason we don’t see more of what I want is because few can actually do the kind of research and thinking to put them together. Maybe I need to watch C-SPAN more. Booknotes, for example. often has smart people with something to say about history. And why? Because ideally, authors spend time and energy to compile lots of information, and sift through all of it to get a sense of what happened. I’d like more news outlets to act like historians. If they did, perhaps we’d all be better prepared for unexpected events.
The SDBA…
The SDBA, the San Diego Booksellers Association, has a website and guide to bookshops here in San Diego. Cool.
Hey San Diegans!
Hey San Diegans!
Recycle your Christmas Tree!
Related to Christmas Trees…
Related to Christmas Trees, I’m retiring The Christmas Tree that was a header — and we now have a New Year’s Message. It is always enjoyable to exercise my lettering muscles. At one point I was quite passionate about lettering and typography. What was once a major is now a minor.
Avid readers may remember my happiness at upgrading painter. This new New Year’s Header was made with that and my hand. I also did some futzing with drawing as well. Didn’t save anything though. Maybe next header I’ll do even more with the brush. I enjoy making these ornamental graphics. They’re useless but fun.
Coincidentally, today I got a hit on artlung.com from an altavista search for “be a cartoonist” (in quotes). Apparently I’m the #1 hit for that search. This goes to show how out of touch altavista is, I think. I have no particular advice for would-be cartoonists. Better to ask Mark Martin or even Scott Adams. I think that the search hit is a result of the exact phrase “be a cartoonist” in a blog entry from August. At the time, the blog lived on the home page, and that’s what altavista indexed.